From Therapist to Coach: Alexandra Mackey’s Journey to Transformation

In this episode of Career Coaching Secrets, host Pedro talks with Alexandra Mackey, founder of Live Empower Counseling and Coaching, about her bold transition from therapy to coaching and why readiness is everything. After nearly a decade as a licensed therapist, Alexandra realized her true strength lies in direct, practical, action-oriented coaching — but transformation only happens when clients are fully ready to do the work.

They dive into the key differences between therapy and coaching, how assertive coaching leads to faster breakthroughs, and the importance of owning your personality as a coach. Alexandra also shares insights on moving from referral-based growth to scalable marketing, navigating emotional challenges, and managing capacity while planning to scale beyond one-on-one sessions. Packed with honesty and clarity, this episode is a must-listen for coaches facing identity shifts, marketing hurdles, or growth challenges.


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Transcript

Alexandra Mackey 0:00

I have spent the last 10 years figuring that out, trying to help the people who aren't quite ready yet. And I have realized because of the coaching aspect that I have just kind of come into my, you know, in my journey, I have realized a few years back that I am very much a coach. And the coach, to be able to coach someone, they have to be ready. And where therapy in other aspects of people's lives can be really helpful is a therapist that helps you figure out if you're ready or when you're going to be ready. That is not my specialty. My specialty is to jump in with a client who has acknowledged I am sick and tired of feeling this way. I am sick and tired of living this way. And I am willing to do whatever it takes to feel better. That is my client.

Davis Nguyen 0:49

Welcome to Career Coaching Secrets, the podcast where we talk with successful career coaches on how they built their success and the hard lessons they learned along the way. My name is Davis Wynne, and I'm the founder of Purple Circle, where we help career coaches scale their business to $100,000 years, $100,000 months, and even $100,000 weeks. Before Purple Circle, I've grown several seven and eight figure career coaching businesses myself and have been a consultant at two career coaching businesses that are doing over $100 million each. Whether you're an established coach or building your practice for the first time, you'll discover the secrets to elevating your coaching business.

Pedro 1:20

Welcome to Career Coaching Secrets Podcast. I'm Pedro, and today's guest is Alexandra Mackey, founder of Live Empower Counseling and Coaching, a psychology-driven coach who helps high-achiev professionals master their emotions through practical nervous system work. She teaches clients how to self-sooth, break reactive patterns, and build real resilience so they can lead and live with calm confidence. Alongside her private practice, she serves as a co-owner and director of psychology for a multi-unit business portfolio, apply environmental psychology and behavioral insight to elevate both guest and employee experience. Hard work bridges emotional intelligence and business performance to help people and organizations thrive. Welcome to the show, Alexandra.

Alexandra Mackey 2:17

Thank you so much for having me.

Pedro 2:19

Yeah, it's great to have you. You know, and I like to rewind a bit, you know, because every coach has the moment where they look at their life and say, Yeah, I guess this is what I'm doing now, right? And we talked about that uh before we recording the podcast and how you were a therapist. But I went to understand that shift, right? But when was that for you? That you noticed your the coaching was a calling for you.

Alexandra Mackey 2:40

You know, I've I noticed it probably a few years ago. I mean, when you first become a therapist, you come out of all the schooling, you know, you go through your undergrad and then you go through your graduate program, and then you have to go through 3200 hours of supervised client one-on-one um hours. And so by the time you get to be a fully licensed therapist, there's a ton of education and a ton of training. And so you're just kind of trying to keep your head above water, and most of us have no idea what we're gonna specialize in, no idea what we're good at. We just know that, you know, some way or another, this is this was our calling. And so, you know, a few years into being a fully licensed therapist, I realized that my approach with clients had a pretty big coaching component to it. Traditional therapy teaches and trains you to be a heavily listener and a guider through the technique of having the client come up with their own answers and their own solutions, which is fantastic. There's nothing wrong with that. But where I found my gift with people and where the real transformation was happening was to the education and them learning more about themselves and then me coaching them and giving them very practical, real-world things to do. Okay, we've talked about things, I've listened to how you feel, you know how you feel. Now what? How do I go from knowing and being educated in understanding the awareness piece to, okay, how does this change? Like, how do I get to have the thing that I want? And so I realized a few years ago I'm actually really good at coaching, and that's where my strength is. There's the psychology education and guided background, but I am really good at coaching people. I'm good at giving you really what you might not be able to see, which is what people want. If if everyone had their own solutions, you know, we wouldn't need help, but usually we need some help figuring out what we don't know. And so that's what I'm really good at. And then about two years ago, I started to feel pretty frustrated with where I was in my career. I felt like it was just kind of more of the same every day. The therapy model is not a very business entrepreneurial-minded model. Um, and so I felt like I was working really hard, I was mentally exhausted, and I just was like, I quickly kind of started to realize like, this is not sustainable for the rest of my life. I cannot, if I'm feeling like this at that point, eight years in, how am I going to be able to stay interested and inspired and motivated to keep doing this work for potentially the rest of my career, hopefully until I'm done working. And so I started to feel frustrated and, you know, I lived in frustration for probably about a year. And then about a year ago, I started to kind of think about how I can grow my business, change my business. I started going down the developing like an online masterclass route. And I went through, I recorded a whole entire class. And then I just kind of got to the end of that and I was like, I don't love this. This is a feel exactly where I'm at right now. Okay, you have a class, but then how do you market it? Where, where do you get the leads to buy the class? How do I put myself out there? Um, and then that kind of came full swing to also this concept that I have lived by, which is work smarter, not harder. And I was like, okay, I don't know how to launch a course. I've never done it before. I'm having to figure this all out on my own. That's frustrating in and of itself. So I got frustrated with that whole process. And then that's where I was like, okay, I think I'm ready to figure out how to change my career a little bit. I think coaching has way more of a business growth model to it than therapy does. I'm not saying that you can't make money in therapy, but coaching model has a lot less red tape around it. And so I realized about six months ago, I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna change my business and I'm gonna go into the coaching direction. But then, you know, when you when you make your mind up, then you're faced with a whole new slew of problems and having to figure out how to get the solutions and how to actually, you can say you want to grow, but actually growing and saying you want to grow are very different. And so that's kind of how I got to where I'm at. I have a really, you know, I have a successful therapy business that I've grown by myself. I run by myself for 10 years. And how do you change that completely into coaching? It's not easy. And so I'm six months in and it feels it's very exciting, but also scary.

Pedro 7:34

Right. I love the fact you were a therapist and coach, right? I love that. I think I think it's so interesting. It's like Alexandra was about to get a little bit more hands-on, a little bit dirtier, you know? Like, let's yeah, let's dwell into people's actual problems and try to solve them instead of talking about them. But I wouldn't understand what like the feeling, and it's so fresh, right? And we're talking about six months in. So when did you felt the shift, right? Like I'm helping people, I'm moving towards coaching to I'm building a real business around this because there's sometimes our trial and error, there are sometimes testing waters, right? Well, I'm gonna try this client, see if this works as coaching. So I want to understand that leap of faith, you know?

Alexandra Mackey 8:19

Oh man, um, I think that I really I guess the biggest leap of faith and where I felt the alignment was when I thought about staying in a therapy-based business for the next 20, 30 years, I felt very burnt out and I felt really kind of inspired to quit. But when I thought about coaching and what that, where that can lead me and what I can actually do with coaching, I felt energized and excited. And so that was kind of the leap of faith. It's like the feeling state behind it. I don't know exactly how to get there and I don't know exactly what's gonna come, but I had to kind of align with I don't feel good staying where I'm at, and I feel really excited and energized with this different kind of route in my career. And so that was the leap of faith. I have to, um, you know, something I am really good at is following my intuition. And that's, you know, I teach people how to do that. And so I'm like, okay, if I, you know, something I I saw somewhere, you know, that Davis talked about was, you know, coaches, therapists, whatever you are, whatever you're doing for the world, for your clients, whatever business you're in, if you're not receiving the education to be better at what you're doing, then what are you doing? Doing that for other people and telling other people how to lead their lives if you're not doing that for yourself. And so I said, my leap of faith was my intuition's telling me something, and it's scary, but I'm going for it.

Pedro 9:52

I love that because at the end of the day, coaching, you ask we ask so much for the coaches, right? The clients. And the the reason I love that is because you had a pretty solidified business that you're like, okay, I see where this is going. I don't want to do it anymore. It's like not about it's really is about, you know, what it feels like. And I'm saying that I'm saying you're telling me this, but the understanding I have is like it's a wild car, but it's an exciting one, and you can actually impact more people this way. Is that something we're in the ballpark here?

Alexandra Mackey 10:25

Absolutely. How can I work with more people, have access to more people without so much red tape, and not be so limited on, oh, well, I'm only licensed in Arizona, so I can only work with Arizona residents. And more specifically, I'm not allowed as a therapist licensed in the state of Arizona. If my client who's an Arizona resident goes on vacation and would like to have an appointment on vacation, I am not allowed to see them. And I'm like, that to me, I understand where it's coming from and I understand the need for red tape, but I also don't operate in the land of diagnosis. That is not my work with people. So I'm not working with very schizophrenic people. I'm not working with serious mental illness. And so I felt really limited with the potential and the help that I can give my clients because of all the red tape and because my specialty doesn't fall into necessarily needing so much of those rules. So, so yeah, how can I be accessible to more people?

Pedro 11:31

I love that because that's so powerful and driven towards purpose, right? So yeah, okay. You know, and after you got rolling, and I know it's pretty recent, but who are the people that kept showing up, you know? The ones you realize in the coaching space, okay, I think this is my tribe, you know, because in coaching, uh, we see a lot of people that are trying to help everyone at the same time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But I want to understand from you do you have like a tribe you're trying to serve, you know, or is it like more broader? How does that play out?

Alexandra Mackey 12:06

So I think my tr what I realize when I started to, you know, the past six months, I've spent a lot of time figuring out who my ideal client is, what am I really good at, what's my specialty gonna be, who of my client base, I've worked with at this point thousands of people, the people who get the biggest transformation. Who are they? What how what what do they do for work? You know, how much money are they making? What are their struggles? And my tribe are the people who are very motivated professionally or have done that, who are ready to focus on the interpersonal aspect of what we do. How do you feel better in your body? How do you have deeper connections with the people around you? How do you have a relationship? So a lot of people don't know how to have a relationship.

Pedro 12:53

That's awesome. But after you got rolling, you know, I want to understand who are the people that kept showing up, you know. I want to understand if you are able to find your own tribe, the ones you realize, okay, this is my these are my people, because we see more often than not in this space, particularly in the coaching space, is that we're still trying to find our niche, right?

Alexandra Mackey 13:13

Um, you know, the the the clients that keep showing up are the clients who have they are ready to do the work. They are ready to and excited to take what we discuss and what we work on in our appointments and go apply it outside. It's a high-value client who understands the value on spending money to improve the experience that you have in your body and with the world around you. I have spent the last 10 years figuring that out, trying to help the people who aren't quite ready yet. And I have realized because of the coaching aspect that I have just kind of come into my, you know, in my journey, I have realized a few years back that I am very much a coach. And the coach, to be able to coach someone, they have to be ready. And where therapy in other aspects of people's lives can be really helpful is the therapist that helps you figure out if you're ready or when you're gonna be ready. That is not my specialty. My specialty is to jump in with a client who has acknowledged I am sick and tired of feeling this way. I am sick and tired of living this way, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to feel better. That is my client.

Pedro 14:33

I want to highlight one thing that I feel it's like super important because I felt that, you know, I was a high-ticket sales closer for a landscape business coach, and I always felt there were two battles. It's first when I was sitting on a call, was like, what is coaching? You know, they I I I would have the first battle, it I would call it awakening. You know, it's like we're not lighting up candles, you know. I'm not gonna dance the kumbaya here. I need someone that understands the concept before I'm trying to serve them. Or this might be something that's just a waste of waste of time for both of us. So I understand where you're coming from. It's like I need someone that is ready to move forward. So I don't have to first of all teach them what the outcomes might be. They understand somewhat the levels of what they're expecting you to do and them to be served. You know, so that makes perfect sense. And yeah, please go ahead.

Alexandra Mackey 15:26

Yeah, well, you know, also something that I've really had to take ownership of is my personality. I am a direct, assertive person. And when you catch somebody early, early in their journey where they recognize that things aren't feeling good, but they're not quite ready to like do the work, a direct assertive personality type with a client who's like in a very questionable place in their life, that's not necessarily a really positive match. So what I was realizing is I'm not serving my client in this phase. They need someone who's softer, who's more patient, who's totally okay with them being on that journey, that part of their journey. And it we all go through that. But how I can use my strengths to really help someone transform their lives is that they're ready for the assertive direction. You know, I I'm an I'm a person, I'm a human, and I have empathy and I I, you know, there there is that, and it's very important, but I am an assertive type. So they have someone has to be kind of ready for that. And when they're ready for it, we will do profound work together. And it's beautiful. But if you're early, if you're in a different part of your journey, I'm just not your person. And there's nothing wrong with that. And kind of taking ownership of like owning who I am and being okay with this is my I cannot help this. This is how I was born. And I also do really great work with people, but they have to be ready for it.

Pedro 16:48

Okay. Now let's talk about the part nobody escapes. Okay. Since we were talking about the coaching side, now I want to talk a bit a bit more specifics on the marketing aspect. So, how do people usually find you?

Alexandra Mackey 17:01

So, right now, people find me. I have a pretty robust referral network. I've been doing this, you know, I've been in this type of work for, you know, almost 10 years. So I have basically I I'm a referral business. And so that's that is the part that's where I'm at in my coaching journey is marketing. Um, you know, trying to figure out where how to market myself effectively. I have spent the last six months, eight months throwing shit out of wall, hoping something sticks.

Davis Nguyen 17:33

Okay.

Alexandra Mackey 17:34

And it is very frustrating and it's expensive. And so that's where I'm at is like, okay, I need to figure out where to spend my time and then where, if I need to spend the money, to market where I'm going to get an ROI. I'm kind of at the place now where I'm sick of I have my referral business, that's worked really well, but that's not a growth strategy. So how do I market to grow and to get the leads every week? You know, something that I saw in in one of the episodes with Davis is like, you know, when you have those weeks where you have no leads, it's like, shit, like how I don't know what to do, what's happening? This is not going to be sustainable. And so, you know, I in full transparency, I'm at that place where I'm not trying to grow my therapy business. I'm trying to grow my coaching business. I know how to grow my therapy business. I don't exactly know in my niche how to grow my coaching business.

Pedro 18:37

I love the fact that you're you're some steps ahead of most of coach most coaches, and I'll tell you why. They take some time eventually to understand that referral-based uh legion has a ceiling, you know. There's only so much you can do with referrals. They're the best of the best, uh a hundred percent.

Alexandra Mackey 18:57

But yep, love my referrals, but yep.

Pedro 19:00

Of course, everyone does, but there's only so much they can get you so far. Right. Now let's talk business for a second. So people find you, right, through referrals or some stuff you threw on the wall that actually, you know, stick. And they resonate with your work. And eventually they want to know what working with you actually looks like. So everyone builds their coaching business a bit differently. So when someone actually becomes a client, what does that experience look like right now?

Alexandra Mackey 19:25

So the first session or two is really getting to know each other, more specifically me getting to know my client. Who are they? Where do they come from? What's their life experiences been? Usually through an hour or two of conversation, you start to kind of your revealed core beliefs, perspectives, a lot of what doesn't work. And then I have my clients go through a like full life analysis, them a document. Um it's a financial analysis, personal relationship analysis, parenting, marriage, or significant other if they're in one. And I have them break down like what works in this area of your life, what's not working, what would you like to have, which, you know, what would you like to see improved? So that kind of gives me, but really actually the client an opportunity to sit down and spend some time like really like honing in on every aspect of their life to figure out like what is actually working and what's not. Because we all know that I'm not happy, right? But what's actually making me or contributing to me not feeling very happy? And when you start to see that different parts of your life and what's, you know, broken down into, you know, very specific questions, it starts to be revealed, like, okay, like, and that's where we start, right? As we start tackling the different parts of your life while also acknowledging that the human experience is complicated and layered, and you cannot just go from step to step to step to step to step, at least in the work I do. So while we've got a big picture we're kind of working on, I I very much acknowledge the the where the person shows up. You know, you come from come to an appointment with me. Who the hell knows what happened in the first part of your day? Or sometimes we have to make a pivot and kind of break down like what happened, and let's talk about it and let's figure out what didn't work and what can you do differently next time, and this is why, and this is the psychology and the neuroscience behind what happened and what to do differently. But it's all linear because it's you. You are the person that's the root of the big picture and the moment-to-moment picture. So it there's different, there's kind of like a long-term aspect that we're we're going for, the goals, the bigger goals, which is how do I feel peaceful in my body? How do I have deeper connections with myself and with the people around me? And how you do that is by dissecting every interaction you possibly can. Give me, we I will go in it with you, and I'll be, oh, okay. Right there, you said X, you had this tone, you said this word, and we. Break down the art of communication, you know, trigger words that you don't even realize, saying always and never to your child, a friend, a partner, that's a trigger immediately. And you don't even realize that your whole interaction with someone, you lost it in the first word you said, which is you always, and then whatever you said to them, right? So it's really kind of just dissecting everything we possibly can. So you can see and understand why it didn't work, which will help you then be able to and be willing to learn something more productive, which will work in the future.

Pedro 22:36

I want you please to walk me through an example of something you see as clear as day as a difference between therapy and coaching. Like, and I think you kind of browse through it, like they say X, Y, and Z at this moment, when you're in the therapy session, maybe you just don't say anything, or in the coaching session, like that's a problem. I just want to understand and our audience to understand because you're you're a therapist for over 10 years, so this is really interesting.

Alexandra Mackey 23:06

So the difference, the clear difference would be if someone comes in and they say that I'm really unhappy in my marriage, the therapy route would be a spending an hour or multiple hours over multiple sessions asking questions that are leading questions that help the client come up with their own, oh, well, I never, I I just thought of this. And what you know, what about this? And then my job as a therapist would be like, well, how does that make you feel? Or if you were to have done it differently, what do you think would be the outcome? So it's very open-ended, right? Coaching with me specifically is yes, they tell me something, I go, uh-huh, right there. Like you, the example you brought up right there. That is most likely why X, Y, and Z happened. And what I want you to try to do in the future is I want you to take a deep breath. I want you to acknowledge that you're gonna have a lot of anxiety, and your brain is gonna tell you every reason under the sun why not to take a deep breath and why, and I'm gonna give you the feeling state that you're going to feel before you do the thing. And then I'm gonna tell you what to do. And then I want you to just, it's an experiment. Just do, I have a lot of experience in this, so just try it as an experiment and see what happens. And then I want you to come back to our next appointment and I want you to tell me what happened. And then we take human experiments in the form of improving our lives, and then they make their own, they're like, it's working, or it didn't work. Okay, why didn't it not work? What happened? Tell me exactly what happened. What were you feeling? What were you thinking? What was your behavior like? What was the person witnessing you? What were you wearing? You know, and tell me, oh, I was hangry. I actually realized I hadn't eaten and that just the tone. I said everything you told me to say, but my tone was off. Huh, interesting. Okay, so next time, don't do the thing unless you've slept well. You know, like a hard conversation with a parent, setting a boundary with a parent. Make sure you've slept well. Make sure you're in a decent mood. Make sure that you've eaten. And then you have like a, I call it like an internal to-do list. There are things that we want to do and that we need to get done, like having a hard conversation with a parent, setting a boundary with them. But just because it's on your to-do list doesn't mean you go on Monday at two o'clock over to their house and you you swing open the front door and you sit them down. You got to use emotional intelligence here and feel it out. You have it on your list to do, and then you kind of have to wait until the stars align. They feel like they're in a decent mood, you feel like they're in a decent mood, you're in a decent mood, you've slept, you've eaten, you've found out they've eaten. Okay, we're setting each other up for success for them to hear something hard and for you to be able to say something hard. So that to me is a little more of the coaching process because I coach you on what to do, how to do it, why it's important, where therapy is a longer route of maybe getting there, but through that might take a year helping someone come up with that on their own.

Pedro 26:15

Got it. Okay. Appreciate it. You know, and your work seems pretty hands-on, right? We're talking about sessions, calls, also looks like, and I'm not saying it is, but somewhat it demands on you on the fact that you need to be somewhat of a customized experience and also the marketing, you're a business owner. It's kind of different. It's a whole different beast. So, how do you think about capacity? So you don't stretch yourself too thin.

Alexandra Mackey 26:40

That's a good question. I know what my capacity is, it's about 15 hours a week of direct one-on-one. So, how do you turn that into a growth business model? That's where it will, you know, that's what I'm trying to figure out. I also am not, I'm not like a cheesy person. And so I'm the, you know, trying to figure out how do I be my authentic self because that is what sells. And I'm very good once I get a person on the phone that's like a potential client. Closing the sale, essentially, like is my strength because I don't try to bullshit them. I don't try to sell them on, I just talk to them like a person. And I also utilize my own experience being a human being, and it sells at almost every time if I can get them on the phone. Getting the lead for me, you know, is a bit of that's what I'm trying to figure out. So I'm still trying to figure that out. How do I maximize my availability and reach greater numbers? And what's my capacity? Because it is very taxing. You know, you're getting in to the nitty-gritty and someone's very sacred experience. They're let they're sharing that with you. So you have to be like a hundred percent in it with them because that's the work. Yeah, like you said, I'm still trying to figure that out.

Pedro 28:00

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And like you said, you have to be in a you need to cover the foundation, the basics to be able to deliver, right? So, yeah, a hundred percent, you know.

Alexandra Mackey 28:09

Yeah, I I do to to just finish that that point, I do see the bigger picture in the sense that like I am a teacher and I have a lot of fun teaching. So I I think how do I fulfill my potential is to teach to a mass amount of people. But that's you know, what step is that? Is that step a hundred where I'm at step like five? No, so it's like I could see big picture stuff, but and I'm a very good strategist for somebody else. But when your own core beliefs are right here, can I do this? Am I capable of doing this? Am I good enough to do this? Um, you know, are people really gonna like whatever? Whatever my core beliefs, they're in the way. And so I see the big picture, but getting there is a bit of a struggle for me.

Pedro 28:56

Okay. Now you're just six months in. Now I'm curious about where you're taking all this, right? This is exciting looking ahead. Where do you see the business going? Are you thinking about scaling, hiring, or is that a next step you're excited about?

Alexandra Mackey 29:08

Excited about all of it when I when we talk in general sense, when I start to think about what's like, do I need to hire someone? Yes, I have realized in this process, there's a lot of self-exploration that happens when you're trying to grow a business because you have to look at yourself very clearly. Um, I'm not very good at administrative work. I'm really creative. And that kind of it comes out more in my person-to-person experience. Getting myself to sit down and like figure out what administrative tasks are the most important right now. And then getting myself to do them is very difficult. So hiring someone is an absolute must. But where do I do that in my process? Right. And I think that what I was put here to do on this on this earth is to inspire people. And so I think I can do that on a bigger scale. How do, you know, teaching, putting on seminars, workshops, motivational stuff, like helping people see their own potential is my gift.

Pedro 30:09

Great. You know, and of course, whenever we're aiming towards the next chapter, there's always something we're refining in the present, right? So what are you currently trying to improve or tighten up in your business?

Alexandra Mackey 30:20

What am I not trying to improve and tighten up on is the question. Um the business aspect. I think I'm I'm good at the person, you know, the people part. What I'm not good at is running a business. You know, we a lot of the, you know, I I think a lot of entrepreneurs can resonate with we get the idea and we're really inspired by the creative piece of entrepreneurship. But then when you come to like actually having to run a business, like figure, you know, there's so much, there's only so much money coming in, and then you've got bills and different, you know, managing all that is I don't want to do it and I'm not very good at it. And saying that out loud has been a very long process to be able to be okay with that, like admitting that like that's not my strength. And I actually don't need to be that good at it. But if I'm not gonna be that good at it, I need to acknowledge that someone else that is needs to come into the picture. And so I am at, you know, I'm getting to that place or trying to figure out where that comes into play of like having someone kind of run my business for me so that I can focus on what I'm good at.

Pedro 31:31

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I I love that. And and it's always a challenge for coaches to see, like, oh, should I hire a DM setter? Should I hire an EA, a VA? Should I hire a closer? There's always that, you know, that moment that you got sometimes suffer from paralysis of which is the right direction because there's so much noise out there, right? Yep. We're talking about social media. Oh, you need to be all uh in all places at once, or should do you really? Because sometimes that that takes five times the effort of putting actually decent content out there. So yeah, a hundred percent. I get where you're coming from. And I love that, you know, how transparent you are about it. And Alexandra, if someone listening wants connect with you or follow your work, right? Where can people find you and connect with you?

Alexandra Mackey 32:19

You can either find me on my website, which is www.liveempowered.net, or you can just shoot me an email, alexandra at liveempowered.net, and I am extremely responsive, and I'll get back to you usually within an hour and start the conversation, and then we usually I book a either a phone call or a zoom call, and we do a face-to-face, and then we go from there.

Pedro 32:42

Okay. You know, there were a few things you shared today that really stayed with me. I would say the fact that you were a former therapist and you felt the need to impact more people, that's such a driving and impactful force. I mean, that that's inspiring, I would say. It's like you're in the trenches and you're like seeing action on a day-to-day basis, and you're like, okay, I gotta do something, you know, and I think that's aligned with your assertive uh personality that you told me. You know, I can only imagine that you have struggled a lot, you know, seeing a lot of people talking about problems and not doing anything about them, and you're like, oh my god, you know, so at the same time, I feel like you're so, you know, I would say it's integrity at the end of the day. That because you're talking with someone at the start, let's say a cult, right? A discovery call, however you want to say it, and you're feeling like you're not aligned. You know, the personalities they don't match, and you have the integrity to not push for a sale, you're like, yeah, this down the line, this is not gonna work. So having the ability, even in the in the early days, to step out of a situation that sometimes you have bills at the door, like, hey Alexandra, pay me, right? And you're like, no, this doesn't align with me. This is not gonna fly. I love that. Also, being so transparent, you know, not trying to play an act here. You're like, I'm still trying to figure out, you know, if I'm gonna hire for the marketing component. So, Alexandra, I know you just started, at least in the coaching aspect, but it shows you have a bright future ahead of you because I've talked with people in the show, especially, that were not as mature as you are right now, and you're just six months in, you know. So I really commend you that. Commend you on that. I appreciate what you do, and I appreciate you being here and sharing so openly today. Okay, it was great having you on.

Alexandra Mackey 34:38

Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed the conversation.

Davis Nguyen 34:41

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